Comments on: Outlaw the music

By: Vincent

Vincent — Mon, 09 Jan 2006 04:23:00 +0000

One could make the argument that none of the early goth-ish groups that you mention were really doing anything particularly original either. They copped the “glam” look, made it a little darker, and sang lyrics about stuff that Throbbing Gristle’d been going over for years, not to mention the Velvet Underground the Stooges or Suicide.

Andrew Eldritch from The Sisters of Mercy, for instance, has made very explicit his band’s early debt to the Stooges. And heck, Bauhaus even covered “Ziggy Stardust” and Eno’s “Third Uncle,” so it’s not like they’re making their influences any kind of a secret.

Just like Marilyn Manson, the early 1980’s goth scene did not arise ex nihilo. They borrowed from what came before and expanded their sonic palette from there, which is essentially what Marilyn Manson has done.

By: Abu Sinan

Abu Sinan — Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:37:00 +0000

I dont like Manson? Why? Because he likes to bill himself as something new. As an “old school” punker, I know he is about 15 years too late! All of the things he does have been done long before he came into the scene.

Check out a lot of bands out there in the death punk and gothic scene, Bauhaus, Alien Sex Fiend, and most especially Christian Death.

The lead singer was a guy name Rozz Williams. I got into them in the early 80s. I remember seeing Christian Death play in Tempe Arizona about 14 years ago. Rozz Williams showed up on stage in a leather teddy, leather knee high stilletos, and full make up, with hair dyed black. He is(or was before he committed suicide) a man.

The songs deal with subject material that Manson now uses, although the music and the lyrics are much better than anything Manson has done.

He is pretty much riding on the coat skirts of other people. He did the things he did in America when it was okay, even cool, to do so. Compare this to people like Rozz Williams who did these things in the USA when they were completely unacceptable, marked you out as a freak, and a target for violence.

The best Christian Death album is “Only Theatre of Pain.” I suggest you try it out and see that people were doing what Manson was doing, but 2o years ago, and MUCH better.

By: Vincent

Vincent — Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:22:00 +0000

… censorship just won’t do

Indeed. Glancing through my music collection, I see things that most other people would not even consider “music” as such (and I am not exaggerating). Why should it be left to someone else — in the case of censorship, some dull, grey bureaucrat — to decide what’s appropriate for me?

After all, what I put in my own ears should be my own business, should it not?

By: Devil's Mind

Devil's Mind — Sat, 07 Jan 2006 05:05:00 +0000

i think there is some misunderstanding of my point. allow me to go off-topic, in the defence of labelling, although i am not an advocate for that.
how do you know what something is without a label?!
i think labelling is good in idealized contexts, but abused (and abusive) in practice…
sorry again for going off-topic!

finally, i said “u seem a little religious” because, i saw “the holy quran” in ur favorite books. i understand that liking any book, song, or otherwise doesnt qualify to make such conclusions, thats why i was asking….

By: Tololy

Tololy — Sat, 07 Jan 2006 03:13:00 +0000

Not objecting to anything but I don’t subscribe to the “u seem a little religious” bit. I like Manson’s music, and I like his attitude, not to mention his visual art! I should add that I listen to him almost on a daily basis. Go figure, label stickers, eh?

By: Devil's Mind

Devil's Mind — Sat, 07 Jan 2006 02:40:00 +0000

[quote]Devil’s Mind,
No Labels, remember?[/quote]
a diplomatic answer :S i am not sure what you are objecting about, because i dont see myself violating the “no labels” policy. but u know, not all people listen to marilyn manson because they like his philosophy, thats what i am trying to figure out.

By: OORANOS

OORANOS — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 19:03:00 +0000

Have a good time

By: Tololy

Tololy — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 15:29:00 +0000

Devil’s Mind,
No Labels, remember?

By: Devil's Mind

Devil's Mind — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:08:00 +0000

but after all, the guy didnt lie…. marilyn manson RulEz
his songs are deep and cool, but honestly i find it odd that i see marilyn manson on your favorite music list…. well, u seem a little religious! :S
marilyn manson is a real satanist after all!

By: Tololy

Tololy — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 02:35:00 +0000

I think it’s ultimately a matter of personal tastes, therefore censorship just won’t do. You cannot control the music, let alone control what people listen to even if it wasn’t music in the strict sense of the word.

Some music promotes “debatable” values, but having masses listening to it means it says something.