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Tololy’s Box » Blog Archive » Jordanian Witch Hunt — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:44:07 +0000

[...] First we had missionaries, then camels in the city, and now we are cracking down on witches and sorcerers. I have a tip for [...]

By: Wesleyfriend

Wesleyfriend — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 05:01:22 +0000

A. Rehman asks if one scandal too many and of course it is.
The problem is an old one.
Adam listened to his wife and not to God and all his children suffer for their ancestor’s disobedience.
Joseph’s brothers sold him into slavery and lied to their worried father, saying that wild beasts had killed him.
Jesus was betrayed by the kiss of Judas, the disciple who was in charge of the treasury. So we must not be surprized when someone who begins his journey seeking the things of God and ends his journey seeking pleasure beyond what is right.

And the second question is a good one to ask…
How is it that the saints of God do not recognize a greedy man who would use the Holy Church to rise to power and riches and stop him before he gets too powerful?
It is not God’s fault that so many are decieved along with the men who would corrupt the Church. We are taught to listen to the priest or pastor and carefully take note of what they say. This is true, but it is an incomplete truth if we do not also recognize that every man must stand alone before God and answer for his life and the choices he made along the way. When that day comes, we cannot tell God, "the pastor you provided to teach me told me to eat the fruit and I did as I was told. Thinking like that got mankind into its present situation many thousands of years ago. Even our own heart cannot be trusted to always desire the perfect good. Our thoughts must be measured against the timeless words of God and then we pray for wisdom to understand what we have read and the courage to do what is right no matter what the consequence.
This is a very simple thing to do, but few people have done the daily work of study, prayer and worship that can train us to distinguish good from evil.
Of course our hearts are not at first inclined to love holy things and to love God. But we must not be discouraged, Jesus said what is impossible for a man is possible for God. God gives wisdom to those who ask and grace to the humble. We should pray for pastor Hagee too. He seems to have pride and a great love of riches, but it is not my place to say that it is too late for him to repent. I am still surprized that God did not lose patience with me long ago.

By: A.Rehman

A.Rehman — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:27:01 +0000

May be they want to save your soul Mick? Wonder if this is not a tongue-in-cheek lie? Muslim basher? Did they offer you thousands of dollars? may be free schooling for the kids? may be did not offer to pay yr sleazy motel bill? if they did may be yr name will be AbdulRazzaq ibn Abdul Muhsin ibn abdulMou’ti now?? Question marks please be noted

By: Mick

Mick — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:59:22 +0000

I’ve visited Jordan. I must have been proselytized by Muslims wanting me to convert a zillion times. Are all those Muslims evil and sneaky or just irritating?

By: A.Rehman

A.Rehman — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 19:41:06 +0000

The DEVIL is having some of his greatest moments as evil brews all over the globe. Man capacity for violence ,murder and torture is limited only by his imagination., Iam not optimistic about the future as of now. I look at children playing merrily near my home and my thoughts jump to countless orphaned children and babies crying the nights away, hungry, craving the touch of parents no more there to give them a hug or a breast or a bottle in Iraq, in Afghanstan, in Palestine and in Africa even in America and Australia. I look at the governmet sanctioned savagery limited only by technological advancement in bomb making and rocketry in America and Israel, I see the inhuman conditions in which prisoners are kept and treated in Guantanamo,I hear of arson and mass murders in Africa, I imagine Iraqis drilling each other heads while alive and despair if the goodness in humans will ever resurface. All will quote you the Koran or the bible or the Torah or the Gita or this and that saint or imam.

By: A.Rehman

A.Rehman — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:21:11 +0000

I thank you for being polite, I got verbally attcked countless times, latest by a Craig who told me to shut the**** up and accused me of being a satanist , may be I got carried away with a barrage of links and articles to prove a point. Anyway here is a link which almost echo your concerns and shows that extemism is the oddity not the norm, yet.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/19438/internal_terrorism_and_christian_fundamentalists.html

By: L Farrer

L Farrer — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 17:47:06 +0000

Thanks for your response. I agree with all you say re. "Islamaphobia" in the west. It is sadly the case that many politicians need an "enemy" to point fingers at in order to consolidate their power base. Nothing like fear to concentrate the minds of voters.

I am making a plea for people of all religious persuasions to ignore the extremists in their midst. Some argue that Jews, Christians and Muslims should fight extremists from within. I wonder if this would work without engendering further violence and bloodshed? Certainly the past religious wars within the then almost totally Christian west show that ,historically at least, Christian could kill Christian over a point of theology.

Religious extremism which seeks to dominate the minds and lives of other is worthy only of contempt. It is opportunist and powerseeking. An unwatered plant will wither and die. Is the current upsurge of religous intolerance firmly rooted or is it, as I would hope, a seedling which would shrivel up if ignored.

It is good that we can talk without attacking each other, not very long ago polite discussion would have been the norm.

By: A.Rehman

A.Rehman — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 13:10:55 +0000

am sorry to see that the great religious divide exists on this thread. Where are the voices of reason?where is the peace and love which both Islam and Christianity claim as their foundations?

The divide is unfortunately getting greater. Extremism on all sides is gaining but let us not point fingers at only muslim extremists( Iam not saying you do). The past few years mnay European countries governments have fallen into the hands of of the far-right or right of centre or christian conservatives and all stand for less tolerance for other religions ( here it is Islam). In the current American election religion is a huge factor that the TIME magazine publish a weekly indicator called God-O-Meter that report how contestants stand on relgion. Rudi Guiliani main election platform is " carrying on with the fight against Islam terrorism" exact words , note he did does not say some muslim extremists. While most Arab and majority muslim countries are fighting extremism, in the West christians extremists are getting a tacit approval, should try to fly American airlines with a name like Ahmed and Mohammad or with a beard. and see the scrutiny you garner. The only mitigating factor that does not make for a free for all war on muslims at grass roots level in the West is – so far- respect for the rule of law and the constitution and the bills of rights and that those societies in general don’t take matters into their hands and don’t in general resort to herd or mob violence , in other words they are more civilized when comapred to the sheep in the East. God help muslims when islamophobia trickles from the top down to the average Joe and Jane and it is deemed patriotic to banish and punish the muslim demons. Iam loathe to extremism and counts among my friends many Christians , Hindus, Buddists and at one time a Jew who moved to other place.

By: L Farrer

L Farrer — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 03:37:26 +0000

I am sorry to see that the great religious divide exists on this thread. Where are the voices of reason?where is the peace and love which both Islam and Christianity claim as their foundations?

We live in a very troubled world, many die every day while commenters trade insults. I despair. Please don’t fall into the traps set for you by extremists, you demean yourselves and your religion.

By: A.Rehman

A.Rehman — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:00:55 +0000

More on Evanglist leaders scandals and corruption.

Do we want this for our beloved Jordan? Salutations to the Board of churches in Jordan for taking their courageous stand.