Comments on: There's More To The Arab Blogosphere Than Egypt http://tololy.com/2008/04/01/theres-more-to-the-arab-blogosphere-than-egypt/ Grow Up Tag Free Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:17:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Tarek Amr http://tololy.com/2008/04/01/theres-more-to-the-arab-blogosphere-than-egypt/comment-page-1/#comment-7893 Tarek Amr Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:21:43 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/?p=1048#comment-7893 I think blogs has nothing to do with this, it's related to how Westerners receive the Egyptian, Jordanian or any other Arab Country's Culture, and may be their awareness of the part of the World Jordan is a great country, and I've visited it recently and was really impressed by the quality and the quantity of development there, and I believe they've got the will to compete with Dubai as a business hub in the region. I also like the Jordanian blogosphere, especially that many of the bloggers there into graphics and web development. But let's face it, how many Americans have ever heard about Jordan compared to those used to study the ancient Egyptian history in School. I guess Jordan for them may mean Michael Jordan. the Cinema and Music industry are dominated by Egyptians (or Lebanese), and for sure this is helping in promoting the Egyptian/Lebanese culture as a whole including the Egyptian/Lebanese blogosphere. Iraq was almost obscure five years ago, and I believe they got the attention of that researcher because of the American occupation of that Country. I am sure it's that researcher who is to be blamed for his/her ignorance of that part of the world. But also, Jordanians and other Arab countries living in the shadow have to exert more efforts in order to market their cultural products and their countries as a whole.   I think blogs has nothing to do with this, it’s related to how Westerners receive the Egyptian, Jordanian or any other Arab Country’s Culture, and may be their awareness of the part of the World
Jordan is a great country, and I’ve visited it recently and was really impressed by the quality and the quantity of development there, and I believe they’ve got the will to compete with Dubai as a business hub in the region. I also like the Jordanian blogosphere, especially that many of the bloggers there into graphics and web development. But let’s face it, how many Americans have ever heard about Jordan compared to those used to study the ancient Egyptian history in School. I guess Jordan for them may mean Michael Jordan. the Cinema and Music industry are dominated by Egyptians (or Lebanese), and for sure this is helping in promoting the Egyptian/Lebanese culture as a whole including the Egyptian/Lebanese blogosphere.
Iraq was almost obscure five years ago, and I believe they got the attention of that researcher because of the American occupation of that Country.
I am sure it’s that researcher who is to be blamed for his/her ignorance of that part of the world. But also, Jordanians and other Arab countries living in the shadow have to exert more efforts in order to market their cultural products and their countries as a whole.
 

]]> By: Global Voices بالعربية » الأردن: يوجد المزيد في مجمع التدوين العربي http://tololy.com/2008/04/01/theres-more-to-the-arab-blogosphere-than-egypt/comment-page-1/#comment-7892 Global Voices بالعربية » الأردن: يوجد المزيد في مجمع التدوين العربي Sun, 06 Apr 2008 18:29:12 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/?p=1048#comment-7892 [...] تولولي[إنكليزي] من الأردن: “وجدت مقال يناقش التدوين في [...] [...] تولولي[إنكليزي] من الأردن: “وجدت مقال يناقش التدوين في [...]

]]> By: A.REHMAN http://tololy.com/2008/04/01/theres-more-to-the-arab-blogosphere-than-egypt/comment-page-1/#comment-7908 A.REHMAN Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:39:19 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/?p=1048#comment-7908 I can name a few you insulted and called names apart from me , you threatened Jordan with annihilation, a country, with your Hukabee, you denounced catholics and the Pope not mention most Arabs and muslims and Jordan's christians.  Don't talk about civilized, and you are still at it """That is indeed what I am talking about, Tololy. Most Jordanian blog commenters seem to insult as their first line of defense, when a disagreement arises.""" I can name a few you insulted and called names apart from me , you threatened Jordan with annihilation, a country, with your Hukabee, you denounced catholics and the Pope not mention most Arabs and muslims and Jordan’s christians.  Don’t talk about civilized, and you are still at it
“”"That is indeed what I am talking about, Tololy. Most Jordanian blog commenters seem to insult as their first line of defense, when a disagreement arises.”"”

]]> By: Jordan: The Queen's Video, New Media Battles & Spring : 7iber Dot Com http://tololy.com/2008/04/01/theres-more-to-the-arab-blogosphere-than-egypt/comment-page-1/#comment-7907 Jordan: The Queen's Video, New Media Battles & Spring : 7iber Dot Com Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:36:03 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/?p=1048#comment-7907 [...] cafes, Hareega wonders if cyber-activism in the Arab world is even worth it any more. Meanwhile, Tololy criticizes an article on the “Arab” blogosphere, which focuses only on Egyptian [...] [...] cafes, Hareega wonders if cyber-activism in the Arab world is even worth it any more. Meanwhile, Tololy criticizes an article on the “Arab” blogosphere, which focuses only on Egyptian [...]

]]> By: Global Voices Online » Jordan: The Queen’s Video, New Media Battles & Spring http://tololy.com/2008/04/01/theres-more-to-the-arab-blogosphere-than-egypt/comment-page-1/#comment-7894 Global Voices Online » Jordan: The Queen’s Video, New Media Battles & Spring Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:00:47 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/?p=1048#comment-7894 [...] cafes, Hareega wonders if cyber-activism in the Arab world is even worth it any more. Meanwhile, Tololy criticizes an article on the “Arab” blogosphere, which focuses only on Egyptian [...] [...] cafes, Hareega wonders if cyber-activism in the Arab world is even worth it any more. Meanwhile, Tololy criticizes an article on the “Arab” blogosphere, which focuses only on Egyptian [...]

]]> By: Craig http://tololy.com/2008/04/01/theres-more-to-the-arab-blogosphere-than-egypt/comment-page-1/#comment-7904 Craig Sun, 06 Apr 2008 09:15:32 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/?p=1048#comment-7904 Tololy: "I guess it depends on what you term a civilized manner of disagreeing. If someone insults another, they’re asking for trouble, in all cultures. You can’t insult people and expect them to be OK with it, as I am sure you will not be OK with it yourself." That is indeed what I am talking about, Tololy. Most Jordanian blog commenters seem to insult as their first line of defense, when a disagreement arises. Tololy: "I don’t think it’s OK to stereotype anyone. In fact, my blog is all about fighting stereotypes and I think you can see for yourself how I loathe generalizations and stereotypes. Look into my archives and you will see that I have repeatedly fought them." I have never seen you defend ME from your Arab commenters and tehir stereotyping, Tololy. As an American, or as a Protestant Christian. Not once. All I can say is, you may not be aware of it. People often aren't, especially when they are associate almost exclusivively with people who have grown up thinking those stereotypes are correct and "true". Ahriman, the comment you brag about being so unobjectionable was full of religious bigotry. I have nothing to say to you. You are one of the people I'm talking about. Now, I'll follow Tololy's lead and bow out of this thread as well, since I'm having so many problems with Firefox, of this blog software, or both! PS-Thanks for your comments, Mohanned and Kinzi :) Tololy: “I guess it depends on what you term a civilized manner of disagreeing. If someone insults another, they’re asking for trouble, in all cultures. You can’t insult people and expect them to be OK with it, as I am sure you will not be OK with it yourself.”

That is indeed what I am talking about, Tololy. Most Jordanian blog commenters seem to insult as their first line of defense, when a disagreement arises.

Tololy: “I don’t think it’s OK to stereotype anyone. In fact, my blog is all about fighting stereotypes and I think you can see for yourself how I loathe generalizations and stereotypes. Look into my archives and you will see that I have repeatedly fought them.”

I have never seen you defend ME from your Arab commenters and tehir stereotyping, Tololy. As an American, or as a Protestant Christian. Not once. All I can say is, you may not be aware of it. People often aren’t, especially when they are associate almost exclusivively with people who have grown up thinking those stereotypes are correct and “true”.

Ahriman, the comment you brag about being so unobjectionable was full of religious bigotry. I have nothing to say to you. You are one of the people I’m talking about.

Now, I’ll follow Tololy’s lead and bow out of this thread as well, since I’m having so many problems with Firefox, of this blog software, or both!

PS-Thanks for your comments, Mohanned and Kinzi :)

]]> By: A.REHMAN http://tololy.com/2008/04/01/theres-more-to-the-arab-blogosphere-than-egypt/comment-page-1/#comment-7896 A.REHMAN Sun, 06 Apr 2008 02:30:43 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/?p=1048#comment-7896 ""Maybe you can’t see it because you are too close to the problem, but the problem does exist. If you check blogs in other Arab countries, you’ll find westerners and Arabs disagreeing in a civilized manner. But you won’t find much of that on Jordanian or Palestinian blogs."" This Craig talking about civilized manner is too too much. My fisrt blog ever here got me a label of "satanist and shut the hell up" from this Craig and my post was neither abusive or uncivilized, re- missionaries. I never heard of this Craig before so was not even referring to him. NOW I KNOW BETTER.  “”Maybe you can’t see it because you are too close to the problem, but the problem does exist. If you check blogs in other Arab countries, you’ll find westerners and Arabs disagreeing in a civilized manner. But you won’t find much of that on Jordanian or Palestinian blogs.”"
This Craig talking about civilized manner is too too much. My fisrt blog ever here got me a label of “satanist and shut the hell up” from this Craig and my post was neither abusive or uncivilized, re- missionaries. I never heard of this Craig before so was not even referring to him. NOW I KNOW BETTER. 

]]> By: Tololy http://tololy.com/2008/04/01/theres-more-to-the-arab-blogosphere-than-egypt/comment-page-1/#comment-7905 Tololy Sat, 05 Apr 2008 12:13:52 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/?p=1048#comment-7905 <p>I guess it depends on what you term a civilized manner of disagreeing. If someone insults another, they're asking for trouble, in all cultures. You can't insult people and expect them to be OK with it, as I am sure you will not be OK with it yourself.</p> <p> Do I think it's OK to stereotype Americans or Israelis? How is that relevant to our discussion of your generalization and judging Jordanians and Palestinians as abusive? Answer: it isn't.</p> <p>I don't think it's OK to stereotype anyone. In fact, my blog is all about fighting stereotypes and I think you can see for yourself how I loathe generalizations and stereotypes. Look into my archives and you will see that I have repeatedly fought them. Never say never, and often, it is Americans or Israelis themselves who fight these stereotypes as they are directly concerned with them. Again, look into my archives to see proof of that.</p> <p>This will be the end of my participation in this discussion, mainly because I do not have the time or energy to continue. I believe I have repeatedly made myself clear, and I leave the floor to others.</p> I guess it depends on what you term a civilized manner of disagreeing. If someone insults another, they’re asking for trouble, in all cultures. You can’t insult people and expect them to be OK with it, as I am sure you will not be OK with it yourself.

Do I think it’s OK to stereotype Americans or Israelis? How is that relevant to our discussion of your generalization and judging Jordanians and Palestinians as abusive? Answer: it isn’t.

I don’t think it’s OK to stereotype anyone. In fact, my blog is all about fighting stereotypes and I think you can see for yourself how I loathe generalizations and stereotypes. Look into my archives and you will see that I have repeatedly fought them. Never say never, and often, it is Americans or Israelis themselves who fight these stereotypes as they are directly concerned with them. Again, look into my archives to see proof of that.

This will be the end of my participation in this discussion, mainly because I do not have the time or energy to continue. I believe I have repeatedly made myself clear, and I leave the floor to others.

]]> By: Craig http://tololy.com/2008/04/01/theres-more-to-the-arab-blogosphere-than-egypt/comment-page-1/#comment-7909 Craig Sat, 05 Apr 2008 04:38:08 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/?p=1048#comment-7909 PPS to Tololy in the meantime: Do you think it's OK to stereotype American or Israeli behavior, based on culture or nationality? If not, can you explain why you never challenge your commenters when they do that? PPS to Tololy in the meantime: Do you think it’s OK to stereotype American or Israeli behavior, based on culture or nationality? If not, can you explain why you never challenge your commenters when they do that?

]]> By: Craig http://tololy.com/2008/04/01/theres-more-to-the-arab-blogosphere-than-egypt/comment-page-1/#comment-7895 Craig Sat, 05 Apr 2008 04:36:30 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/?p=1048#comment-7895 Tololy: "Craig, It is both dangerous and wrong because you have not done any form of genetics research to determine that since many Jordanians are of Palestinian origin, that that makes them automatically abusive." I never claimed it was genetic, Tololy. Maybe it\'s a language problem again, but that's the second time you've accused me of attributing behavior to ethnicity. I'm talking about cultural issues, not racial issues. And, I stand by my assertions. Maybe you can't see it because you are too close to the problem, but the problem does exist. If you check blogs in other Arab countries, you'll find westerners and Arabs disagreeing in a civilized manner. But you won't find much of that on Jordanian or Palestinian blogs. Omar: "here’s a quote from the programmer:" And precisely how is that comment any different than the comments I've been making here? I've been complaining about the Jordanian blogosphere on other (non-Jordanian) Arab blogs for years. The best you could do was a comment I made a few days ago, that amounted to a synopsis of what I said here first? PS-I'll try and get back to people on other points they raised later. I'm not online much right now and I still can't get this editer to work for me properly. Tololy: “Craig, It is both dangerous and wrong because you have not done any form of genetics research to determine that since many Jordanians are of Palestinian origin, that that makes them automatically abusive.”

I never claimed it was genetic, Tololy. Maybe it\’s a language problem again, but that’s the second time you’ve accused me of attributing behavior to ethnicity. I’m talking about cultural issues, not racial issues. And, I stand by my assertions. Maybe you can’t see it because you are too close to the problem, but the problem does exist. If you check blogs in other Arab countries, you’ll find westerners and Arabs disagreeing in a civilized manner. But you won’t find much of that on Jordanian or Palestinian blogs.

Omar: “here’s a quote from the programmer:”

And precisely how is that comment any different than the comments I’ve been making here? I’ve been complaining about the Jordanian blogosphere on other (non-Jordanian) Arab blogs for years. The best you could do was a comment I made a few days ago, that amounted to a synopsis of what I said here first?

PS-I’ll try and get back to people on other points they raised later. I’m not online much right now and I still can’t get this editer to work for me properly.

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